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Looking at buying this SWB 240GD 1981 ( I presume due to 2 spoke steering wheel).The engine has been replaced with a 1984 w123 300D engine.Brand new Canvas back with new green leather seats, 2 folding jump seats in the back. 35" tires I think.G Wagons in South Africa are quite exspensive. Early 80's models sell for anything between 5500-6000 GBP.
I can pick this one up for 5300 GBP.


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I feel a sudden rush to buy Gwagens here ....and export them. I just brought a 1992 6 cylinder 300GDS for £5k.

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Tell us more about your acquisition? State, options, colour, version, etc, etc. Pics would be appreciated. If you have digitals e-mail them to me and I'll hange them from my website and link them to here.

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AndyC wrote:
I feel a sudden rush to buy Gwagens here ....and export them. I just brought a 1992 6 cylinder 300GDS for £5k.

There is a ban on importing used vehicles into South Africa. Importing new vehicles are slapped with 100% import duty.

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Johann,

I do apologize for not having posted a reply to your earlier posting. The trouble is that it is very difficult for us non-South Africans to give an opinion on whether that G is a good buy or not. You must know better than us whether the car is "in the money".

If you'd like advice on what to look at from a technical viewpoint when buying a G, let us know.

Good hunt!

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No problem : )

I'm test driving it this weekend ! Will keep you up to date.

Will a 240GD SWB convertible with a 300GD engine have beter fuel consumption than a standard SWB 300GD?

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In theory, quite the contrary!

With the hood on the wind resistance is not quite as good as that of the tin-top, because fabric is not quite as wind-cheating as steel.

Without the hood, the resistance will be exponentially higher.

But this is the theory! In practice, and given the speeds at which a W460 300GD is likely to travel (90% under 80 Km/h), aerodynamics are not an issue. Since, if the car has been properly converted there should be no technical difference between a factory 300 GD convertible and that 240 GD, we can safely assume that, unless you go flat-out on the motorway without the hood, that car should not consume noticeably more than the equivalent 300 GD SWB.

However, it's likely to have the 4 speed manual unless it's been replaced by a newer unit. That should make it consume more due to the low gearing but this could be somehow balanced by the high diameter tyres.

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What are the differences between a 1981 and a 1982 model ?As far as I could gather MB made some improvements in the 1982 models.
What are the pro's and con's between LWB and SWB offroad wise?

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Johann wrote:
What are the differences between a 1981 and a 1982 model ?As far as I could gather MB made some improvements in the 1982 models.

The differences were mainly cosmetic and in standard and optional equipment. I can remember from the top of my head the following:

The steering wheel is now the four-spoke job taken from the MB saloon range (previously taken from the van range)

The doors are now trimmed in fabric (plastic formerly)

New upholstery and door trim design (now chequered and in black, beige or grey, depending on exterior colour)

New dashcoard switches taken from contemporary MB saloons

New combined main instrument (turn lights, hi-low beam, wash-wiper) from contemporary MB saloons.

Twin rear door is now an option, single is now standard (formerly the other way around)

New paints

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What are the pro's and con's between LWB and SWB offroad wise?
Only when the going gets really, really though, there is a noticeable advantange of the SWB versus the LWB, whereas most of the time the cargo capacity advantage of the LWB is simply amazing!

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I have test driven the vehicle this morning. It started up fine and idling sounds good.
But it has a big shortage of power. I am well aware that G-Wagens are slow but it lacked a lot of power. There is no way that the vehicle will cope with desert driving or big hills. Somebody suggested to me that it could be the injectors or the
injector pump. Any idea's?
When putting it in 4H or 4L no lights came on in the dashboard. Engaging the front and back Diff locks by pulling up the levers between the front seats also produced no indication on the dashboard. Could this be a wiring problem?

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But it has a big shortage of power. I am well aware that G-Wagens are slow but it lacked a lot of power. There is no way that the vehicle will cope with desert driving or big hills. Somebody suggested to me that it could be the injectors or the
injector pump. Any idea's?
Any 300 GD is slow but when in good condition and driven by an experienced driver (i.e. taking advantage of momentum at all times it doesn't feel too slow. I am inclined to think that the car is not in tip-top condition mechanically... If you were in the UK I would advise that you walk away but it doesn't look to me that the supply of honest Gs is as good down there as it is in Europe.... It can naturally be the pump or the injectors, but it can also be down to a tired engine and in any case it doesn't sound as cheap to fix.

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When putting it in 4H or 4L no lights came on in the dashboard. Engaging the front and back Diff locks by pulling up the levers between the front seats also produced no indication on the dashboard. Could this be a wiring problem?

Engaging 4wd, be it either 4H or 4L is not reported in the dashboard at all so no lights there, whereas engaging either diff lock is supposed to be reported in the relevant light in the dashboard. It can obviously be a wiring problem but my experience tells me that when dealing with GWagens you have to expect the worse and that is seized locks. Unless, obviously that they have a logical explanation which at the moment I don't know which one might that be...

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I assume diff locks will only engage when the vehicle is in 4wd.Could it be possible that I didn't had the vehicle succesfully in 4wd as there is no markings on the gear lever to indicate where is 4H,4L,2H etc. The carsales man knows nothing about G-Wagens...... and I'm still learning.

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Johann, you mention a car salesman, are you buying from a garage?, if so it must be in their interest to have everything working if not for you then the next buyer. If its a 4 speed box as my old un you should return about 26mpg (better than my newer 5 speed), there's no dash light for engaging 4wd but you should know straightaway if its in,transfer stick normally away from you and back, to engage 4wd push forward,across to you and back,this gives low ratio so drive in all the gears,the "across" bit is the high ratio position and on mine there is a neutral between the high and low position. Check the diff lock reservoir and the pipe under which often leaks,if it has run out in the past and been re-filled without bleeding the diff locks they probably won't work, get the garage to bleed and refill and you should get lights on the dash when you pump the levers but sometimes you need to drive a few yards before they engage.The lack of power could just be slack linkages,mine was transformed when the slack was taken out of mine,finally,my MB specialist treated my fuel system with a product called "forte" which goes directly into fuel filter housing and between all these things my old un still out performs my newer one on acceleration,power and consumption,assuming of course that you never want to go over 55mph!! If I were to take up offroading I would go 4speed without a doubt.

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Yes I'm buying from a garage. Thus at least I have some protection from the law if the salesman is lying to me.

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you should get lights on the dash when you pump the levers but sometimes you need to drive a few yards before they engage

If I understand correctly the diffs get engaged with hydraulics. I have just pulled up the lever and drove about 10 yards. Is it necessary to pump the lever? And maybe I should have driven a bit further. It could have been 4 months ago or more since the diffs was last engaged.
Which maybe can cause some problems engaging it.

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assuming of course that you never want to go over 55mph!!

Hopefully I'll get more than 55mph.I'll be happy with 70 : )

I want to do some safari's with the vehicle which will include distances of upto 2000 miles through Africa. It is one of the reasons I'm getting an old vehicle because hopefully most of the mechanical things can be fixed on the road (no rocket scientist necessary for fancy electronics) and a G-wagen doesn't get stuck easily.

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Remember not to use the difflocks on road surfaces, loose ground/wet grass only (I believe), just tried mine which do need bleeding cos the pipe perished and back one lit but front one didn't,took about ten yards though,I wouldn't pump them unless youre' stationary.

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I was lucky enough to track the service manager from Mercedes Trucks who did some £3750 worth of repairs on this G. He said the front diff lock only worked when something was done with the handbrake. This doesn't make sense at all.

Repairs done was:
*Repair & clean Fuel Tank
*Repair and balance Prop shaft
*New Steering arm Left
*New King Pin FR axle
*New Steering arm
*New Front Spring, Brow
*New brake Cylinders
*New brake pads
*Repair Injector pump
*New Nozzle
*Repair lights
*New wiper motor
*New Shock Absorbers Front & Back
*New Shifting Rod
*New Control Arm,Transv
*New Drag link
*New bearings,seals,Lubrication service etc.

I'm thinking of getting the price of the vehicle down and fix the outstanding stuff on the car myself.

Outstanding stuff I'm aware of:
*Speedometer not working
*Hot air blower not working
*Diff locks not working properly (Although Mercedes-Benz told me back one is working,front one only works when fidling with handbrake)
*Weak engine

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Humm... I am a bit concerned about the fact that it seems that the diesel pump has been repaired (refurbished/rebuilt ??) and still the car has weak engine. I would assume that the air filter is tip-top condition.... if that is the case then the other alternatives to explain a tired engine are fewer.... and rebuilding a MB diesel engine is an expensive exercise.

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I spoke to the sevice manager at MB and he is confident that the engine is fine. He is sure it is either injectors or the injector pump. He also told me the hydraulics for the Diff locks are missing. Currently it is using some type of handbrake cable contraption to engage the diff locks manually!!!

I think I'm going to buy the vehicle. I managed to get the G's price down by £1250.
Thanks for all the advice. I'll keep you up to date.