G463 side steps
My "new" SWB 463 unfortunately didn't come with side steps/running boards fitted and I think they would help my usual passenger (and me too probably) with entering and exiting.
Am I right - how much difference does having them actually make?
There was a thread some time ago about the merits of fitting real MB parts or those manufactured by another company but I can't find it.
Any comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Mark
MB side steps are pricey. Mine are pretty much the same as the ones on sale on eBay. Definitely make egress/ingress easier.
PM norfolk66 Tim Sayer he managed to source some that are identical to MB jobbies for reasonable money
Regards Gordon Osgerby
PM norfolk66 Tim Sayer he managed to source some that are identical to MB jobbies for reasonable money
Regards Gordon Osgerby
Mark,
Side steps are all a matter of opinion but in mine they are great for getting in and out with bad footballers knees.....especially getting back in when the game goes into extra time.
I have purchased both the current eBay steps below :-
Ebay item number 390239041010 which were for my SWB....these were very practical and good quality but are not a copy of the originals but good for under £225 including postage.
Ebay item number 221544836175 which are currently on my LWB and are a very high quality copy of exact Mercedes ones. In fact you can't tell the difference side by side the originals and they simply bolt on once you take your grommet caps off your 463! They are from Romania and on at £569 which includes postage. I believe that these are LWB but they may have SWB ones? I can't find my ebay receipt but mine were less that £500 all in and look fantastic. I'm pretty sure I paid £450 plus £45 postage but think the price has slightly gone up because of the £ against the €. But still a great deal.
From the current listing it looks like they only have a single set of LWB which would need to be cut down to fit in yours. (Axel has cut a set down that went on the Jersey 606 monster)
Hope this helps.
Tim
Mine are the ones that Tim has listed first. They've been on a good few years now without issue. The MB copies look nicer but not sure there worth the extra money.
MARK kevin stuttgartt has rock sliders and they do them with steps
I tried to purchase an SWB set from MB, last November. Price was around 900, but none available - not even in Germany.
Might be because SWB Gs are no longer in production ?
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Well they fit my 463, mind you it is a 1991. Why not just give him a ring. I guess it's about fitting points which may have changed post '91. Sherlock will know.
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Custom fabricated side steps seen a few years ago
Thank you for the info. Yes, I'd also contacted the sellers on ebay, with a similar reply that new holes would be required. I think those were really designed for the 460, not 463. Anyway, my wife has been asking for sidesteps on her G300 for quite a while, so I will probably need to get them. Only thing is that I am reluctant to remove the new exhaust, catalytic converter and heat-shields that I just fitted, for access to the fitting holes.
Custom fabricated side steps seen a few years ago
Very nice indeed - looks even better than the OEM ones !
do you still have the design and details of where they were made?
They are on the G of a member who bought the car with them fitted. She said that the previous owner made them himself.
Design is pretty simple I've got a couple of close up pics if you want them
A couple more photos
Thank you for the info. Yes, I'd also contacted the sellers on ebay, with a similar reply that new holes would be required. I think those were really designed for the 460, not 463. Anyway, my wife has been asking for sidesteps on her G300 for quite a while, so I will probably need to get them. Only thing is that I am reluctant to remove the new exhaust, catalytic converter and heat-shields that I just fitted, for access to the fitting holes.
Have taken the plunge and ordered these ebay versions. I'll report back on how easy/difficult they are to fit. I spoke to Steve at the eBay seller and he assured me that they were "very straightforward".
My budget won out in the end - £212 vs over £1,000 for the real thing.
Did they fit properly in the end, with regards to existing mounting holes ? Thinking of getting some too.
thanks
Thank you for the reply, These would be for a 1991, 300GD. SWB.
Can the L mounting brackets slide along the slots on the underside of the boards, so that their separation can be adjusted to suit the spacing of existing holes, if present?
Thank you for the help. It should be fine then. Need to see if there are any existing holes there, But I think it will be like yours.
On my 463 there were NO mounting holes - so that meant drilling 4 each side. If you have to do this you need to get some really hard wearing drill bits (10.5mm) as I went through 3 of them.
Hello, Mark,
If you had to drill the holes, presumably it would be difficult to add a backing nut internally? Did you use a Riv-Nut or just large self-tapping screws to secure the brackets?
Thanks
Hello, Mark,
Thank you for the reply. The bolts are M10, so a 10.5 mm hole will make a good fit. Perhaps, I am being a bit thick, but I don't understand how the bolts are fastened with nuts as the place which is drilled is a sealed cavity with no access to the inside to fit the nut?
On the later Gs the nuts are already welded on the inside of the cavity, on the inner side of the bolt hole.
.. Unless of course you drill all the way through the door sill, behind the external rubber strip?
Ah! I think I understand what you're saying, now. It seems that these steps are secured to the lateral / transverse underfloor struts, which can be drilled straight-through. That is a 460 step design, then. The 463 is supposed to have ready-prepared holes on the inside door-sills, running longitudinally, under the body, with a captive-nut already welded in the inside. (I have read that even early 463s should have these ready-prepared fixing holes, but don't have access to that car to check before buying the steps.) That might be why the listing for these steps says they are up to 1990 and that holes need to be drilled to fit them.
Arnie,
I have posted on this thread before as I have installed the cheaper steps on my SWB 463 that were £225 and were a pain in the butt to install. However, you will see from an earlier posting (that went above most heads !) that I had managed to source some exact copies (you can't tell the difference) of LWB 463 steps that were £450 that just needed the grommets removing and bolting on (4 bolts either side for SWB and 6 for LWB) attached are some pictures as this was just a 15 minute job for each sides.The steps although double the price where far superior quality and look. It's all up to personal choice...
Tim
Hello Norfolk,
Thank you for the reply and pictures. I had indeed noted the replica ones, which you'd mentioned and installed, but I needed to find out whether they could source them in SWB version - no reply. I also saw that 4x4-direct have them, again, LWB versions) for GBP 650.
This enquiry has been for my sister who has a 1991, 300GD and after seeing Mark's post, above, it seemed that early Gs perhaps did not come with factory-built-in mounting points on the inner sill. Therefore she bought the aluminium, eBay ones. However, It could be that these have a different mounting arrangement (designed for the 460) and hence perhaps Mark did not look in the correct place, when he said that there were NO pre-existing fitting points? This would mean, therefore, that it would be better to find 463 boards with the correct brackets, if the mounting points are there, as I'd rather not drill any new holes.
Seems that I really need to find out first, whether the factory mounting holes are there on not.
I was templed to get the LWB ones and cut them, but they'd need to be cut at an angle and then some new holes drilled to affix the end-caps.
You're right- yours look exactly like the factory oines.
thanks.
All 463's have the proper mount holes already there..
They have grommets fitted and are covered in under seal and are virtually invisible, but there!
If you are looking in the wrong place you will not see them..
Most 460's don't have the holes, however i have seen some late 89 onwards with the correct holes...
With the proper mounts its a dead easy job, without i guess it will be a PITA
Gav
hello, Gav,
That's good news !
I bought some new, SWB steps from MB this week (ouch !) and fitted them yesterday without problems to my 1996, G300, but wasn't sure about earlier models having the fittings in place. However, if they are there, I guess, worst case would be to buy a set of genuine brackets from MB and use those to fit the eBay, aluminium, steps.
Armie,
I know how expensive the steps were from Mercedes as Gav got some priced up for me a while back.(I think £1100 plus vat per side......double ouch!).
Mine were from Hungary or Romania I'm sure the details are on the eBay link.
If you did want to get a set cut down I know that Axel606 cut a pair of damaged LWB ones for the jersey super G thread that you may be able to search for photos. I believe he may even have a couple of spare original brackets as the SWB only needed 4 in total!
As Gav said the pre-drilled holes should be there as in one of my pictures..However, I had to Stanley knife some of the under seal off to fine them.
They are certainly a lot easier to fit and I had many problems fitting the non Merc ones.
Having said all that both steps do the job and it is just a matter of taste or budget which is preferred.
My steps are great for helping and old footballer get in and out of his G ;-)
Regards
Tim
Oh dear! Now I feel really silly - fancy having existing mounting holes and not spotting them.
Just had another look and yes they are there. But pretty sure the fitting kit supplied with the ebay version of the steps wouldn't work using the existing holes.
Mark
Probably not as not designed too.....they will fit 460 461 and 463 in the same way
Armie,
I know how expensive the steps were from Mercedes as Gav got some priced up for me a while back.(I think £1100 plus vat per side......double ouch!).
My SWB versions were around £ 900 for the pair incl some discount and VAT and so about 300 more than those from direct-4x4, but saved time in cutting-down long versions to size.
They went on perfectly to the mm, and look great so I don't regret the amount paid.
Thanks Huss - but they don't seem to do sidesteps/running boards (what is the correct term?)
Mark