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I have to leave the UK for 3 months and the G will not be used for that period, I plan to disconnect the battery, are there any concerns with disconnecting for this length of time ? Will there be any particular sequence to reconnecting and firing it up other than perhaps an overnight recharge. Is there anything else to consider . Thanks TC
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Most good quality batteries can happily stay several months without being charged. It shouldn't be a problem. Disconnect the leads, though. All those batteries you see on halfords shelves are very rarely, if ever, charged. The self-discharge rate for a standard lead acid battery ids about 5% per month.

 Long-term storage is more of an issue with more modern cars, where disconnecting causes computer-memory issues and leaving connected, has a small, continuous drain on the batteries. There are no control units with memories on the G300.

 

http://www.varta-automotive.com/en-gb/support/battery-safety-maintenance/storage/

 

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    for the last 26 years i just use a battery trickle charger 

     this year i have gone HI TEC and got one of these from maplins (i think)

      not big bucks and a nice long lead 

     and leave the hand brake OFF 

     had no problems at all

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Thanks Adrian, I do need to disconnect the battery also for security purposes, so a charger can't be used. Arnie, re your response above, my car is a 320 cdi 2007 - are you sure it has no systems which will be affected by the battery disconnection ? I have had a read on a few Mercedes sites and there's some horror stories, albeit not specific to the G wagon. Just want to be sure - thanks for your input again. TC
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I have a 2006 S500 so some of it's idiosyncrasies might also apply to your G.

First off, it doesn't like being parked for as long as 3 months.

My car has 2 batteries, one is just a starter battery (used obviously just for starting the engine) the other runs all the computer stuff and over 3 months this is likely to drain and the computer stuff doesn't like being without power. It results in problems with various ECUs and on the occasion that I did allow this battery to drain meant a computer re-set at a MB dealer.

Definitely don't park for 3 months with the handbrake on. Mine also prefers to be parked in N rather than P for any extended period (obviously only on level ground).

That's a lot of weight to be sitting on those tyres for 3 months - although as Adrian says above, he hasn't had any problems and he stores his G for much longer than 3 months every year.

If at all possible I recommend having someone prepared to start, run and drive it once per week. Avoiding problems is much cheaper and less frustrating than fixing them.

 

 

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Agree with Mark. There are specialist long term storage places that will and generally look after them. For example, here's one I picked out at random from google:

http://www.manorcarstorage.com/tarrif.html

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Tea clipper wrote:
Thanks Adrian, I do need to disconnect the battery also for security purposes, so a charger can't be used. Arnie, re your response above, my car is a 320 cdi 2007 - are you sure it has no systems which will be affected by the battery disconnection ? I have had a read on a few Mercedes sites and there's some horror stories, albeit not specific to the G wagon. Just want to be sure - thanks for your input again. TC

 

Sorry, got confused and thought you had a G300E. However, the 320Cdi is not as complicated as the later,  W221, S500, so I think that it will be fine to disconnect the battery. You will afterwards need to reset the electric windows (open and re-close fully once) , sunroof (ditto) and possibly the ESP (turn steering from lock to lock) after reconnecting the battery. The 2007 G still has the body electronics introduced in 2001. My 2001, G400 Cdi is quit happy with battery disconnection.

 

I don't know whether you intend to leave the vehicle in your garage, on your drive or on the road, but I certainly would not leave it on the road unattended for this length of time.

Ideally, if stored in a garage, you could use a CTEK charger:

http://www.ctekdepot.co.uk/

 

 

 

 

 

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That will do me Arnie - thanks again. It will be garaged but I always like to remove batteries when it's a few months. I did it once on a SLK 350 we have, came back, would not start, tried everything, thought I'd given it the terminal touch, as I'm about to take the engine out to see what's wrong, the wife suggested I charge the battery up fully for 24 hours. Started first touch in the morning - I'm surprised she lets me near this G. Cheers TC
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To be proper anal i would leave it on blocks with wheels off the ground

Dis connect battery and it will be fine if it,they are in god shape


If its damp push pads off discs and clean discs before use again

I have seen many cars left standing with the pads on disc and it causes rusting and future issues

It all depends on the humidity of garage


I also give the engine a spray of wd 40 as leaving any used car standing sometimes causes hassles


Yes to my first part about having wheels off ground just helps tyres and bearings sitting in one place for 12 weeks


I have never had any issues at storing cars outdoors or garaged using the above

I never use a charger just in case anything went wrong and it over charged or cooked itself. Modern electronics are good but a disconnected battery is safer in my own view


A friend had an expensive optimate type charger on his bike and it failed and cooked battery

I just disconnect and re set clock and job done


I was not going to say but a lot of cars that i look after have stood all winter. Brakes are a bit siezed but now i have brake judder. Its where the pads have sat and contaminated disc. I wont be told different i have seen it 100s of times before. Just spin wheel and clean discs but if you have pushed pads back a little bit you wont have an issue. Dont forget to press pedal a few times to get pads back to disc or you wont stop lol


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Thanks Arnie, GWG. Batteries off now, all locked and garaged, put 4 axle stands under to take the load off the tyres. Eased the brake pads back slightly and released the handbrake, checked for mice and immigrants, switched the light, locked the door and I am out of here. I'll come back to you post refitting the battery to advise. Bon Voyage. TC
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It will be just fine

Have a good trip

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...Update ... As mentioned 10 weeks ago I decided to remove the battery for a short storage period... Arrived back and put the battery on an overnight charge but it seemed to have held a good charge. Refitted and turned the key - started first touch as usual and everything operated as normal, no dash lights, the windows worked normally, so well pleased. Checked tyre pressures and oil, back on the road. Thanks for your comments earlier - perhaps we worry too much about the G ??
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Perhaps you may consider using a solar panel charger if practicable.  They are very low amperage but sufficient to trickle charge the batteries.

Another point to consider is to over inflate the tyres so that they don't create any flat spots,

I leave my car regularly for prolonged periods with the battery connected  and I only had a battery problem once.But this was an 8 year old battery.  For as long as  the battery does not fall below 12.5V it soon recovers. 

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Does anyone know if the 12v socket closest to the battery (G400 so by the central bvents for rear passengers) is live or one way? ie, can I trickle charge the battery through it or do I need to hard wire a trickle charger to the battery?

 

Thanks so much

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Although I do not know for certain, as current flows from the battery, it should allow flow back to the battery; I cannot image a restricted reverse flow from the adaptors, it goes against cost effectiveness under current Mercedes production costing logic. 

I think you can trickle charge.

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I think that socket on the G400 , like the the one in the front ashtray, is only energised when the ignition is on. There is a battery charger connection point under the bonnet, near the brake servo. You could attach and additional charging plug and leads to the positive terminal in the plastic shroud and the negative terminal, near it,  on the inner wing.

 

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Thanks again Arnie.

I know my Smart car is only active when the ignition is on. But will have a look for the under bonnet connectivity. I was looking for a battery...smiley

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Well, after three months of inactivity, the battery is dad as a dead thing. I used my key to get in and have Hooke day up a conditioner to put some life into the car, which has now resulted in ignition and interior lights/fuel pump

Even with an external booster, I a, simply gettngi a "click" when I crank it rather than engine turning over. Hopefully it's not errrr, terminal! And any issues are varta related rather than starter motor etc related.

When cranking, I do get a transfer box error message so have a feeling the computers are struggling...

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All those symptoms are normal for a low battery. If the voltage drops below 8,5 volts, the electronics will complain.

However, I would advise to change the battery ASAP, if you intend to use the car, as continued charging and starting attempts could result in more serious faults.

Modern cars continue to draw power when the ignition is Off, and will discharge a battery in a month or two. So for long term storage leave a trickle charger connected, or disconnect the battery. Once a lead- acid battery has been fully drained and left like that, it will never recover fully. if the battery is older than 5 years it may be best to replace it.

Tanya batteries (on line )  have good prices on Varta Silver series batteries,  with delivery.