463 - What size mud terrains?
Just bought a 463 from a top guy across the water :D and I'm looking to fit it with BFG mud terrains for the winter, (shooting season, muddy fields and tractor rut's).
Any one know what the largest diameter tyre I can fit without snagging the standard body work? I currently have 31" BFG MT on my 460 and I'd like to fit the same type to the 463. I don't want to modify the 463 in any way as she'll be back on road tyre's at the end of January.
Well, on 16" rims of the normal std width you could fit 235/85x16 M/T which will also go on a LR defender so it may be possible to pick them up as part of an unfinished project nearly new.
Also a consideration would be 225/75x16 or 235/70x16. All these are presuming you use 16" diameter wheel rims.
For 15" rims you are right, stick with the 31/10.50x15 mud.
Happy plugging.
Regards,
Mike
For what you want to do, get a set of 235/85-16 Colway C-trax MT's. BFG pattern, excellent in mud, not bad on road and CHEAP. Most MT tyres end up being ripped to bits by a hidden piece of metal, rock or other object, so that nullifies the BFG's advantage of more miles.
The only caveat I would add to what mercfan has said depends on the ground you are travelling.
The remould due to its construction on hard jagged rock would be more likely to rip the lugs as compared to a new tyre of whatever brand.
I still think a set of (as new) part worn new ones would be the business in the 238/85x16 size. They would be good for years to come.
Regards,
Mike
I cannot agree with you more... I have a set of 235/85R16s BFGs Track Edge fitted to my G and I am really tired of them but the b@stards still have thread on them!
Woops, just notified of another message on this thread and reread my last posting. Apology wrote the tyre size wrong should be 235/85x16 not 238.
Mortinson, as a compromise tyre for you (road and off road) are the trac edge that you use not ideal ?
The Mud T/A more road noise and less grip when on road( alot less) and more pronounced shoulder wear on road due to the nature of the tread design (greater sea/ land area) land = tread blocks, sea = Space between the tread bars.
Going back to the remould suggestion. They would be excellent for mud and general scrub and value for money to boot. But at the end of the day a remould is a re manufactured tyre one that has already served its life, thats not the problem, depending where the remould comes from the company sticking a rough mud grip pattern on a casing which clearly isn't intended for high speed use can be tempted to reuse old casings which may have been remoulded before and before. Get my drift. Leading to a greater chance of failure in use due to a greater variety of reasons.
You pays your money you takes your choice.
Regards,
Mike
OK, well I was speaking in a what if sense. I didn't expect to be provided with proof positive. That could have been a nasty one for all concerned. Nice that you are still with us.
Had you travelled far on the motorway when that happened ? Did you have a puncture repaired on the tyre recently before this happened ? Can you remember did you feel a dull shake from your steering or vehicle in the days before you travelled at slow speeds not above 30mph?
Strange there is no runflat damage visable on the sidewall we can see to correspond with a stop from that speed?
All answers are purely for my own information, traits of the job and all that you understand.
Regards,
mike
Hi All, I would recommend Cooper SST tyres.
http://www.tyrespec.co.uk/products/?pattern=Discoverer+STT+%28NEW%29
I have driven to Edinbough 3 times(from Bristol) now on at 90mph all the way with no problems and mine are 35" tyres and once was in the snow for the G wagen meet. I'm just about to order another set for my 18" wheels! :lol:
Hi Piggysims,
Any harm to ask what size you are going with on your 18" rims ?
Regards,
Mike
I'm interested further questions may follow!!!
Tyreman
Had you travelled far on the motorway when that happened ?
I'd done 30 miles on the motorway, before that I'd done a few long runs (80miles plus) run's including 1 240 mile trip to London as quick as the old turbo would send her 85 on the speedo
Did you have a puncture repaired on the tyre recently before this happened ?
No, i'd done approx 2000 miles after buying it
Can you remember did you feel a dull shake from your steering or vehicle in the days before you travelled at slow speeds not above 30mph?
Can't remmber anything , but just before it blew I could feel a strong shaking and I backed off to 50 pulled of the next junction and checked the wheel's, I couldn't see any thing so set off again now running very late for an appointment, it felt fine but as I got up to 70 the was a very severe shaking and then it blew, luckly I was on a straight and the car felt very stable as I headed for the hard shoulder. When I got out I couldn't believe the damage.
The next day off I went to Costco & after I explained to a a very helpful man that michelin owened BFGoodrich & he did his homework he ordered 4 BFG m/t at £104.00 plus vat fitted. they took a week to arrive.
Strange there is no runflat damage visable on the sidewall we can see to correspond with a stop from that speed?
It was the rear near side which went, I then broke hard and headed left to the hard shoulder, maybe theree wasn't that much weight on it as I decelerated???
For your personal reference here's the rest of the pic's I took.
Seen plenty of BFG AT's end up like that, only with the entire tread thrown off as well and resulting bodywork/suspension damage.
Could you show us a picture with tyre's markings/branding? Typeface looks like Bronco?
Never seen a colway end up like that. Been through several sets myself and now several other people who use them as well with no complaints.
Colway is the only remould allowed in (some) FIA motorsport events. Same events, some top brand names of new tyres did not make the grade and are not allowed.
Quite the same as Lanli not being the same as Goodyear, xyz remould is not the same as Colway, which is the only remould I'd use and then above certain "new" tyres.
And again I would second what Mercfan has said. I also have seen BFG A/T go out of shape and burst similar to the ones in the picture.
The only difference and one I am happy with is generally the ones that go have done 50,000 miles of a hard life on a work 4x4.
When I cover that kind of mileage and conditions I'd go out of shape too.
You mention Colway remoulds. I didn't . They very well aim for a niche motorsport market and produce a product that stands up well to the terrain and have found good favour with alot of contestants.
Not all companies do the same, hence our comments and the proof provided.
Regards,
Mike
Chillipepper, the cat is among the pigeons now. What brand was on that tyre. PM us if you do not want to make it public. thanks It might be worth a "kings ransom" some day.
Tyreman, Probably 275/70/18 as the 18" rims don't have much back spaceing so may be restricted.
I'm planning a trop to Morocco towing a trailer over Christmas and i fancy the 35" put a bit too much strain on the tranny over that distance so hoping from memory that 33" were fine.
Thanks Mr Sims,
Question if you don't mind. Your vehicle would be original on 265/60x18 tyre ?
A tyre size of 265/65x18 would be equal to a 235/85x16 roughly which I think was the biggest fitted as std to the G and also very close in size to the 285/55x18 on the newer ones (subject to correction).
Does your G have a lift kit fitted?
Presuming you have used these tyres before(275/70x18) on std vehicle (ride height) will they foul the inner wings on full lock or damage the outer wing on full articulation?
Your help and experience on this would be appreciated.
Thanking you in anxious anticipation.
Regards,
Mike
Tyreman
She was on ''KINGPIN RADIALS''? when I bought her, the guy who sold it to me said she'd done a run down through France to Andora at 70mph all they way with no problems.
Ahh, I thought they might involve a kings ransom, luckily not in more ways than one for all concerned.
Chilli thanks for all the pics, they are always worth their weight in gold.
Regards,
Mike
Hi Tyreman,
yeah 265/60/18 is my original tyre size but I have been running about on 315/75/16 Cooper STT tyres this year fitted to Mach 5 wheel with a big back space, the vehicle has about a 3 inch lift and the 35s don't touch anything and have loads of clearance on full lock(enough for chains).
I have fitted the 18s back on today and will check clearance tomorrow to see how big an 18" cooper STT I can fit wether it be the 65 or 70 profile 275 tyres!
Wow, I love the front of your G wagen is it a modified ARB unit? Its the only thing I've seen similar to it.
Class machine I'm envious.
Regards,
Mike
Yeah I bought 2 of them they are ment for landcruiser's it certainly protects the front.
And the other ones on a !!!!!!!!!! :wink:
Nice !
and thanks for the replies.
Regards,
Mike
So where are thoses pics with your 18 inchs wheels on then ??
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Thank's for the wise words, I'll be going with the 31" BFG M/T, as I need a tyre that's capable of motorway crusing up to Scotland etc, and although I know that M/T aren't ideal on cold wet roads, you just have to treat every road as if it's icey and adjust driving style accordingly.
The 460 I bought had remoulds on it, only I did'nt realise, the word remould was only written in very small letter's and was only noticable after this had happened on the Motorway at 75mph. That said the G was still very stable as we headed to the hard shoulder after the bang!