Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

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Maxwell Smart
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So a week or so ago I had a rattle coming from my car which I thought was the muffler. Upon closer inspection it turned out to be the heat shield between the muffler and the under carriage coming into contact with the muffler. It created a rattly tin sound.

Well today I heard the sound again when I started the car in Park. I then switched the car off and when I restarted it only it seemed to appear when I put the car into Park but no longer while it was in Park.

After lots of rooting around it turns out the problem was not the muffler/heat shield as previously but rather that I had forgot that I had put the transfer case in neutral when dismantling the transmission console. The sound is not there when its in either low or high.

So the question is, is this the root of a greater problem that I should be looking for? Or can it safely be ignored? As mentioned it's a constant rattly tin sound and doesn't to my ears sound like gears grinding... unless they're made of tin....

Advice greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

Hi Maxwell "happy new year" from your description it could be in the rods that link the gear lever to the gearbox ..any engine vibration at idle ???? I assume that the PARK position does actually lock the transmission ?? because it is easy to shear the pin in the gearbox if you are still moving forward and select PARK.... and that might leave you with a tinkle sound when PARK is selected..also look for loose or cracked baffle plates around the engine /starter area...engine vibration at idle will set up harmonics in thin bits of metal....and why is there vibration in the first place ??? the engine will sit in a different position in PARK than when a gear is selected..with the engine switched off grab the top of the engine firmly with both hands (over the wing) and rock the engine ..you may hear the same noise.....

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

thanks. yes park does lock the engine.

rock the engine while in park? and i presume you mean from wing to wing rather than radiator to firewall?

will wait for it to cool before trying that....

the issue only comes up when the hi/lo is in neutral.

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Hi from your last information I suspect that the noise is emanating from somewhere within the high/lo selector system.....(when in neutral everything is hanging loose)....try running the engine in Park.... select Neutral on the Hi / Lo and listen..if the noise is apparent and disappears when Hi or Lo is engaged then it is something in the Hi/Lo selector system ..is the transfer box filled with the right oil at the correct level??? or is there something like a detent spring broken in the selector mechanism ..do you get a notchy feel when you select from neutral to either Hi or Lo and a sloppy feel when in neutral???? sorry for all the questions but "Hands Off" diagnosis is not easy ..... Yes rock the switched Off engine from wing to wing... gearlever in Park... Hi/Lo in neutral........and listen

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

thanks fixwin - not quite sure if i am following what you are saying. but yes the noise is only apparent in neutral if that is what you are asking.

but the noise litterally only appears when you shift into park - passing the notch between reverse and park. it did initially appear while in park but not anymore.

the other thing is it is quite difficult (stiff) to change from hi/neutral/lo. I find that often I need to rev the engine a bit before i can change.

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then the noise comes when there is no load or torque on the gears ie: in neutral and only when moving the gear selector lever through the reverse position (which introduces load /torque for a few milliseconds before you go into the park mode) it would seem that you may have had or have old moisture contaminated oil or very little oil in the HI/Lo box and the moisture in the old oil or lack of oil has corroded the carriers in the top of the casing for the Hi/lo selector mechanism ..hence the stiffness....take the filler bung out of the transfer box (the upper one) and poke your little finger in and down ..if low or no oil fill and drive the G' in Lo position until the oil gets hot and then drain it to the last drop and replenish with SAE 80 grade gear oil ***I am referring to the transfer box NOT the automatic gearbox which uses ATF oil. exercise the the Hi/Lo lever until the stiffness eases (best done when the new oil is hot....let the old oil if any settle in a see through container.you will be able to see the levels of contamination unless it appeared as a milky cream as you drained it then the contamination is obvious....you may have to repeat the oil change in order to clear all of the contamination.

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ok thanks will have to try and get my hands on some maintenance manuals to find out how to do that - i am fairly certain that i have a sealed system on mine that is supposed to be maintenance free though has since been proven many times over by others not to be....

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

Hi Maxwell the MB service directive (235.1) shows regular service intervals for the transfer box servicing...the box holds 2.8 ltr of SAE 80 / Hypoid 80 oil ..the recommended period for changing the oil is based on mileage but should be no longer than three year intervals......

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

look maxwell,i have been thinking long and hard on this one. i first hand saw the smoke that evening and heard the rattling noise too.

just sell it mate and be done with it :oops: i know its a tough decision but you really should go and get a nice mint 460 with the wheel on the proper side and stop kidding yourself that lhd is better in the city.

:lol:

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

Hey smoke is gone - Piggy was right that it only needed to be burned off! Rattling noise you heard was a baffle in the exhaust which has since gone quiet.

Still tempted by the black G300 though....

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

which one buddy,the one you are trying to tempt me with :wink:

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

ya that one...

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

drive on it will self heal or brake!

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Re: Strange transmission/transfer case noise....

as it's only the muffler that's what i figure. at the moment its fine.