35" super swamper LTB for ge 280
Hello to All.
I'm new in here and it's my first topic in this forum, so welcome all.
I'm just wondering have anybody got any experience with super swampers.
I will be fitting 35" wheels into ge 280. The tyres I was thinking about are Super Swamper LTB:
http://www.intercotire.com/site36.php
They don't make them in size I'm after yet (35/12.50/15), but will be from april this Year.
I've had boggers in mind, but they are realy made only for mud (I think). I'm thinking about something which would be a bit more universal extreme offroad tyre :shock:
I was reading some reviews about LTB's in offroaders.com:
http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/SuperSwamperLTB.htm
and they are quite positive. Many users reckon that they are as good as boggers in mud.
What puts me off boggers are sizes realy. They don't make 12.50 for bigger tyres for some reason :? , and 14.50 would be just too much.
LTB's are relatively cheaper as well. Supertrux.co.uk sell them for around 130 quid each, which compared to 230 pound boggers is nearly half a price.
I've also heard many times that super swamper tyres are much stronger, than for example simex or Bronco.
Has anybody had anything to do with them before???
Thanks for all answers.
Bart
Does this mean that you have sealed the deal with Ridd on his 280 SWB and are now the proud owner?
Regards,
Mike
First off , you lucky sod, I think you got a good purchase there. As you could make out from the posts I was a flight away from buying it too. I hope its lucky for you.
Tyre wise wouldn't profess be much help to you as the product you describe is very specialised to its application. My best advise to you is stay away from the sales Blurb you may read, stay away from the magazine test reports and go meet the people who actually use them in anger. They will tell you whats suitable for you.
Did I see Peter Perfect mention that ye are near each other. Why not talk with him (hope he doesn't mind me mentioning him) he definitely uses his in anger for challenge events.
Best wishes again on your purchase.
Regards,
Mike
I've had very little priv conversation with Peter Perfect already.
I didn't ask about the tyres yet. I've just put public post just in case of anybody used them before. I've seen them in mega size in one of landrovers (landy landrover) on landrover fest in peterborough last year, but i didn't know about me interested in them now, so just didn't aks :?
Thanks for advice.
Bart
would you mind give us a price?
rgds hus.
You would be better off asking ridd, as he's still the ovner ;)
Bart
reading the web site link they mension "bias ply" is that yank speak for cross plys? not that road manors are a issue with serious mud tyres!
You would be better off asking ridd, as he's still the ovner ;)
Oh whats this, Ridd is still the owner? Is all not well in the land of Denmark. Do I detect a certain uncertainty? Is the deal on shaky ground. From your previous posts I understood that you now owned it.
Are you waiting 'till it has its new MOT cert to close?
Regards,
Mike
hello.
Right. Like Ridd stated in his post (280 for sale) G is waiting for MOT and number plate change, but depsit has been payed on it, so I HOPE I'll pick it up shortly.
Anyway.... this topic is not about mercedes, but LTB tyres, and I'd rather to see posts about super swampers.... please, leave chat for "chat forum" :)
Thanks,
Bart
In fairness, the question was posted due to a comment made by you to a question asked by Huss.
I have before this replied to your tyre question as honestly as I could.
My comment was just to seek clarification on the stated position. Relax.
Regards,
Mike
Relax is right :):):)
Bart
Bart,
The Jan 08 edition of Total offroad magazine might be of interest to you with your tyre issues.
Hope this is of some help. Happy mudplugging.
Regards,
Mike
PS Big tyres on a 280, boy does it like gogo juice as I am finding out.
Thanks for help.....
To be honest with You I'm very very confused about those tyres.
I skipped 35" tyre idea couple weeks ago, but after chat with kashi this monday, I've had few brainwaves :))
I will probably buy a simex extreme trekker, as they are first in most of european challenges, maybe 35/10.50, maybe 35/11.50.
LTB's are probably sound, but it's so much easier to get simex... I'll probably forget about them for now. One of my mates bought them in 33", we'll see how they work in mud :))
Thanks for help anyway.
ps. Gogo juice will be in my worst nightmares shortly..... but will I care????? hmmmm.........
A 35/12.50 tyre is very big/ too big I think for a 6 or 7" rim. Min. would be an 8"rim which ain't too easy to get for the Merc.
I decided to go with 33/10.50x15 which has a 32.8" dia. which is about an inch taller than a 7.50x16 which would have been an original fit on a G wagen.
Hopefully this won't alter the gearing too much or kill the engine too much.
The jury is still out on brand and pattern but I'm inclined to edge towards the BFG Mud T/A as an all purpose off road tyre at my level.
Have fun with your decisions.
Regards,
Mike
PS Maybe others reading this would have another view they would like to share, based on practical down and dirty experience.
Hi,
I've got now 35x10,5x15 simex extreme but havn't tested them yet.
With these tires you need to modifie you car.
I've got a body lift of 3 inches and need to cut the front outriggers of the frame wher the body is mounted. When turning tires touch it. Almost 75% of diameter of outriggers need to be cut. Also maybe interesting is longer springs. ( Have not yet done this, next time when there is spare cash).
Regarding power I hope and I think a 500 will be able to turn these tires around.
Check this site for pictures of 35 mounted on merc
http://benny5325.fotopic.net/c1175204.html
Best regrds,
Dirk
In the G I've got the body is lifted 50 mm, no rubber mats and no rear seats, also bucket seats instead of original will probaby rise it another few milimeters on springs (which are original size), so I thitk it will be ok with clearance. If not, I'll cut something here and there to make it lighter :))
I don't realy want to pul higher springs to keep COG as low as I can.
I'm in procces of ordering 8x15 CW/borbet rims, so they would take just about any tire up to 13" width.
Body and outriggers are sorted already as well...... so no probs with that.
280 should be just about strong enaugh to make it all work, maybe even without gearing change.....
As soon as I'll put everything together I'll throw some pics..
Thanks for help :)
on a 280, i would go no bigger than 34", or she will run out of puff, bart what do you intend on doing with your g ? ,play days ?, challenge events. anything more extreme than a BFG are nightmare on road and wear quickly.
Hi,
Maybe also a possibility is to put distance ring inbetween your spring and the seat of the spring. This is a cheap way of raising without losing the originally settings of the springs.
http://shop.kapaza.be/unastra/6988708/Mercedes_veer_spacer_voor_doorgeza...
the one showing in the link are more expensive but gives an idea.
Regarding losing weight:
Half doors are an option as also losing reardoor. and interior trim.
My old 280 had 185bhp (tuned by mercedes) and 33 inch tires were no problem.
Regarding reduction in diff/ you can concider axles from a 230ge or 240 gd and even better from 250gd.
The 230 should be fairly easy to find.
http://shop.kapaza.be/unastra/6870666/Mercedes_Assen_G_460_461_serie.html
Best regards
Dirk
Hi Dirk,
Thank you for sharing your photos. Your g500 engine should ease any power problems with your tyres, although I do hope you are a shareholder in Shell as it will burn some amount of juice.
Can I ask in picture .022 cabrio with BFG on, did it have a body lift at that stage? From the picture its not apparent.
Also in .026 cabrio , these are the raised springs fitted I presume?
It looks very well in .037, longer springs, simex tyres +(body lift?)
Final question are you fitting a lower ratio ring and pinion to allow for the higher tyre ?
Otherwise I am mighty impressed and look forward to seeing the build in pictures as it develops.
Regards,
Mike
To Tyreman,
Pictures in previous answers are not from me.
They are from a guy in the netherlands.
But all inf is welcome so...
About shell, unfortunately not a shareholder so no luck
My 500 will only be used for play from time to time, and every hoby costs money, so wife and kids will have to do with one less gift??? :oops: :cry:
Bet regards,
Dirk
"on a 280, i would go no bigger than 34", or she will run out of puff, bart what do you intend on doing with your g ? ,play days ?, challenge events. anything more extreme than a BFG are nightmare on road and wear quickly"
Unfortunately simex don't do 34's in extreme trekker. True size of 32/10.5 is 33.2/11.2....
I'll be driving it on playdays for some time, but I'm looking for some challenges as well (future... still need to sort winches out, get it lighter, maybe "pick-up" it...) What I don't want is "compromise".... I'd rather have 2 sets of tyres, than experience "I wouln't stuck, if I had better tyres..."...
I've seen couple of 300gd's in one of the challenges i nPoland, with 34's on them, and they were doing sound.
About the power.. we'll see. I don't realy want bigger engine because of weight.... I think 280 might work ok. If not, I'l try to get coupe version...
Thanks for all help.....
bart
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I've had 300 gd, but You need more power for 35" :))
Anyway... any info about LTB's??
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