Brake upgrade
Any ideas on a brake upgrade for my G500 (463), I've often thought about uprating them but am a bit more motivated since my near miss with a Nova. Anybody tried any? I've made enquiries and the AMG G55 Brake kit is £1850 but I might need to change my wheels too :shock:
You already have have front ventilated discs plus rear solid discs so that's about the best you can get other than fitting the AMG brakes. I don't see however why you should change the wheels, given that the diameter of your wheels (7.5J x 18 H2 ET 63) and those fitted to the AMG (9.5J x 18 H2 ET 50) is the same so that both allow the same "size" of brake callipers to be fitted.
I am sorry but the only advice I can give you is to spend that two grand or to drive slower.
Cheers,
Custom made Carbon discs perhaps ?
I would assume that the limiting factor in the circumstances you describe would have been the tyres / road surface and the mass of a G Wagen. Did the ABS activate? If yes what difference would bigger brakes make?
Only reason to fit larger brakes would be if you were subjecting the existing brakes to such severe use that you had suffered brake fade. Was that the situation? I assume not. If that had been the case you would have driven right over the Nova!
Have to agree with Russ. If the ABS activated, then better brakes are not going to help. If it didn't, I guess you didn't panic enough. Research has apparently shown that even in emergencies most of us do not hit the pedal hard enough....hence brake assist which does. If you didn't actually hit the Nova, what's the problem? Your reaction was a "success".....Don't half get the old adrenalin flowing though, doesn't it? :lol:
Q
Yes ABS can do that, frighten the do do out of you but stop you in time.
It might be worthwhile, at far less than the brake upgrade you quoted, to consider better (stickier) tires! Original tires from manufacturers (even MB) are a compromise -- for the G, these would be not only cost (as for any car) but also some ability both on-road and off-road. Pirelli Scorpions are an example of such on/off-road ability -- it's good on both, but NOT great in either one.
If you drive primariliy on road, or (better yet) hardly ever venture off-road, you would have much improved stopping distance if you looked at a high-performance on-road-only tire. There are many to choose from.
Good luck.
BFG now that must be a good tyre, It was a sponsor and the preffered supplier of tyres to the Dakar Rally this year.
You may if you drive cross country
Can't say i've noticed much improvement, but they were the rears, I reckon the fronts have got another couple of months in them, so I'll know better then.
Ah, could be that was the problem. Assuming you were not carrying an enormous load in the back, about 85% or more of braking effort takes place on the front end, the abs acting very early to prevent the lightly loaded rears from locking up. Now, if you only have about "two months'" worth of tread left on the front tyres, I am not at all surprised you had a scary time of it.
Strictly speaking, your 463 being permanent four wheel drive, you should endeavour to change all four tyres at once and ensure that they are all of the same make, tread type and size. Your new rear tyres will be significantly larger in diameter than your worn out fronts purely because of the differing tread depth. BFGoodrich tyres are brilliant; very competent off road and long lasting too. I have 235/85R16 Mud Terrains fitted on my G. They suit what I do but I would never trust them at speed on a wet greasy road as with such a knobbly tread, there just isn't enough rubber in contact with the tarmac to keep over two-tonnes of steel pointing in the right direction. They more than make up for it in the chalky mud where I am. If you don't take you machine off-road, I would endorse what KenC said and suggest a road biased tyre such as Goodyear Eagle or similar.
Actually, it seems to me that which ever dealer supplied and fitted your new rear tyres had a duty of care to have pointed all this out to you. :?
Q
Strictly speaking, your 463 being permanent four wheel drive, you should endeavour to change all four tyres at once and ensure that they are all of the same make, tread type and size. Your new rear tyres will be significantly larger in diameter than your worn out fronts purely because of the differing tread depth. BFGoodrich tyres are brilliant; very competent off road and long lasting too. I have 235/85R16 Mud Terrains fitted on my G. They suit what I do but I would never trust them at speed on a wet greasy road as with such a knobbly tread, there just isn't enough rubber in contact with the tarmac to keep over two-tonnes of steel pointing in the right direction.
I cannot but agree entirely with what Quercus said. I have the same size 235/85R16 BFG but Track Edge this time and find that, although they offer an excellent compromise for off-roading I have to be that extra careful with my speeds around these narrow, wet and greasy country roads that I use mostly. Again, if you are using your G500 with those brilliantly useless (off the road) 18" rims mainly on the road you'd better put some high-speed rubber into them.
Regards,
Well done Q you obviously know your tyres, Scorpions are another good option for road bias tyres.
Try Southam Tyres in Southam Warwickshire they are the BFG Importers
It's very poor of your supplier to sell you end of line when they cant match a full set, I would take it up with Southam
I should
Well done, persistence pays off.
I'm confused, If the ABS worked then I guess it did'nt skid, so why would 2 months worth of tread left make any difference in the stopping ability?. This truck weighs 2.5 t. If someone stops suddenly then its reaction. Its only this incident that has made you think the brakes are poor, but you've had it 2 years, are the brakes bad, afterall you never hit the other car.
I can see where you are coming from Ian,the same thoughts driffted across my mind, performance is often a number of factors, buI think at this time of the year where braking is concerned allowance needs to be given for traction degradation due to sand / salt on the road.
As regards ABS and tread wear. Tread does not enhance grip on a dry road it reduces it, tread is there to displace water and to cool down the tyre on dry roads at speed.
ABS prevents the wheel locking and in doing so lenghthens the stopping distance, however a locked wheel has the same effect as aquplane the melting rubber forms a fluid surface between the tyre and the road.
In motor sport they don,t have abs ( German for Anti block system) but the drivers train to keep the tyre at 9.999 tenths of friction under braking which is a nats n.... before lock up and actualy lift the pedal as they go deeper into the corner to prevent lock.
Road tyres are a compromise.
As regards ABS and tread wear. Tread does not enhance grip on a dry road it reduces it, tread is there to displace water and to cool down the tyre on dry roads at speed.
Well that's the theory Bill, but you know better then me ('cause you are an old fox, aren't you?) that tyre wear comes normally alongside the aging of the tyre and thus its rubber losses adherence ability so perhaps a worn out tyre with minimum thread has much less grip on a dry road than a brand new one with loads of thread.
Cheers
Yep, true about about ageing rubber. Also, trace back to the basics, ie how does ABS actually work... :?
A difference in wheel circumference would seriously mess up it's calculations...
In fact J ,Tyre compound should remain the same all through the tread depth and its adherence not differ during its useful life until wear bars are exposed, what is often not known is that used or not tyres should be replaced every 3 years because the compound hardens from the effects of UV, the synthetic that is a car tyre looses its plastic properties thru the effects of UV even in cloudy UK, Truck tyres are natural rubber because a synthetic that size would over heat and delaminate.
Treadless tyres are best on a dry road, grooved tyres best in the wet, that is an undisputable fact .ask Mr Alonso. F1 now run on grooved tyres at all times, this was a change brought in to slow them down in the dry, and it works, but clever tyre engineers have now designed a F1 tyre that wears quicly in the early part of the race loosing its grooves leaving a slick tyre to finish when the car is lightest and quickest. Many other facets of tyre,road surface, pressures,vehicle weight, air density, humidity surface temperature, camber, castor, down force et al should be considerd but we don't have time for that when we are going to Tescos.
Fox hunting is now banned.
They weren't sure whether the offset was different. I don't drive that fast, just somebody stopped on amber in front of me and it could have been really messy.